Are we past the tipping point?

Recent Articles show that we are at more dangerous levels of global warming, and greenhouse gas. Check em out.

Growth has already pushed Earth past tipping point, new study says - desmogblog

Scientist: Greenhouse Gas Levels Grave - Associated Press

Climate change past tipping point - NDTV

I honestly think this whole global warming thing is overstated.
Each party has its own Chicken Little "sky is falling" claim. The democrats say we need to stop our emissions (whether man-made emissions have actually had any kind of dent in the rising temperature is still debated) or the world is over, and the republicans say we need to attack Iran for whatever reason they've been spewing out of their asses these days or else Iran is going to conquer the middle east/nuke israel&america.

All the politicians want more moola and more power at our expense, and theyre willing to lie and use any kind of vehicle to hide behind.

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Haha, nice! Appreciate the honesty, good stuff

Why does people think it is just a political agenda for winning the election and power?

You just don't want your comfy world go away, is it therefore, Mike?

Open your eyes god damn it and dont just look at the dumbo-screen with political rubbish. You don't care 'bout hundreds of sientists at all and what they have to say about it? Think outside US, there is a world outside.

(Nothing personal, just some "wake up americans" frustration.)

You really think scientists, not only in America, but in Europe, would lie about it? Earth is dying, caused by our own stupidity.

And our own stupidity will help us stopping it? Well, it's just like that: it will happen because we DO NOT WANT to change the way we live at the moment.

you all cant be so naive. politics DO play HEAVILY into this. the implications of man-caused global warming are a huge victory for central planners.

there are hundreds of scientists who say the effects of global warming are overstated. there are hundreds of studies that show that global warmings effects are neglible.

this isnt only about the US, every politician and scientist in bed with government grants all over Europe and Asia are ecstatic about global warming as well. its not about lying politicians either, its also the fact that the media loves to highlight the claims that will scare people and peak their interests. remember, media is all about viewership and big headlines!

truthfully, the scientific debate ISNT done on global warming. there is just as much evidence that refutes everything global warming scaremongers are saying. the only argument the establishment scientific community is giving is that "the issue is settled, global is real and will ruin us if we dont do anything" when in reality, the issue HAS NOT been settled, the consensus is still out, and needs to be looked into more and there needs to be more discussion on all of the scientific date collected. Those scientists remind me of when Oasis kept yelling into the camera "WE'RE THE BEST FOOKIN BAND IN DA WORLD!", they said it enough times and they convinced a lot of people(oasis do fuckin rock though), and its working again for the establistment scientists and politicians.

Ohhh, this is getting interesting!

You cant neglect it and say that human interference in nature does not have any effect. Say that to every species that has died out cause of humans wasting nature resources and areas cutting down trees, jungle, pumping up gigatons of oil and all gas coming from that, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide etc. Yes species dies out naturally, but not to this extent.

The many and much more frequent nature disasters around the world. Hurricane Katrina, the giant tsunami to name a few. Coincidence? Yes, disasters come and goes, but why do we get even more frequent and closer now? Ahh sorry it must be an politician idiot telling earth to do it just because they can convince people global warming is the reason of thousands of Americans, and Asian, and European lives. So they can get some more power.

Many politicians and scientists in US might be 'hired' and 'bribed' and just out for money fame and power, and the 'democratic' term doesn't mean as much to you as it does in other countries outside US. US is very capitalistic de facto. But I assure you that it exist politicians and scientists that do care about nature too, not just the money and power. People are human, too.

Gas (etc) destroys ozone layer > more UV-light passes through > more energy stays on earth > ice on north/south pole melts > higher water around earth (it's not a small amount of ice)

Sorry, lots of your big coast cities will be new Atlantis if this continues, which it will. Just natural cycle, it will come new ice-ages too. We just push it a little faster, on the warm side. Global warming or not. Politics or not. This is nature.

There is ZERO scientific evidence that natural disasters are occuring more frequently and closer together now than ever before.

the disaster caused by hurricane katrina wasnt the actual hurricane itself, it was the governments shitty maintenance of the levees that were supposed to hold out the water. the levees broke, and the massive amount of water built up around the levees came in. the hurricane itself wasnt anything special, similarly sized and even larger hurricanes have caused a negligible amount of damage to other cities, it was simply new orleans being under sea level and being protected by the incompetent government engineer corp that led to its demise.

get your shit straight. and you are too naive if you think europe is somehow exempt from self-interested scientists. most of the politicians there are former marxists, or have at least been influenced by marxism, and global warming hysteria is the perfect excuse to curtail the free exchange of goods and ideas.

Not to mention, in the early 1970s, the scientific community was giving us the same scaremongering and warnings that we were going to have a modern ice age caused by global cooling from jet vapor trails, a laughable hypothesis.

Atmospheric CO2 is a minor atmospheric ingredient. Global warming is a red herring used to justify bad policy. Al Gore has simplistic and confused assertions on human-induced global warming. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, average temperatures in Europe were rising, while the period after the industrial revolution saw the onset of global cooling. Temperatures may have been rising for the last three decades, however, it is due to fluctuations in temperature that have occurred for millions of years, thus the cyclical changes we face are not catastrophic. the role of humans in contributing to global warming (from human-generated CO2) is far smaller than the greenie hysterics would have us believe.

May I quote from a 1975 Newsweek about global cooling. I am having a strange sense of deju vu:

There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production-with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth.

..."A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale," warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, "because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century."

You have essentially presented zero argument for why I should be coerced into any kind of global warming scam. I dont want to pay higher prices for my car so it can use an inefficient and expensive fuel source. I dont want to pay higher prices for my consumer goods because the companies producing them are taxed for the co2 they produce. I do not want to be arrested for having a bonfire barbecue in my own backyard. If you believe in global warming, fine, do what you want, but dont try to force your fellow humans into worshipping your environmentalist church. You are forgetting that 'The Day After Tommorow' was a fictional movie, not a documentary.

peep this: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...=&Issue_id=

lol, we need to get kman in here

Wait, what? European communists are trying to remove your freedoms by warning you about the global warming crisis and urging you to look for other energy solutions than oil? LOL! That must be the most ridiculous theory since McCarthy and his little gestapo.

First of, reference:
- http://www.mng.org.uk/gh/threat/threat6.htm
- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8917093/
- http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/scien...ngerprints.html
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warmin..._the_atmosphere
Read all about it. Temperatures in troposphere are rising faster than normal, contributing to the greenhouse effect, and while people that like their huge and energy inefficient cars are saying that this is all due to the world emerging from another ice age, that is in fact not true.

You see, a hydrogen engine system has already been developed, but since there is lots of profit to be made in oil still, there is little pressure to actually develop it and the research goes by at a snail's pace. There's plenty of blame to be thrown around for that, but most of it ends up on the oil corporations.

While "Day after Tommorow" is indeed a fictional movie, and one that is improbable as well since changes in climate simply can't happen that fast, we should ask ourselves if we're willing to sacrifice the lives of our grandchildren to a wrecked ecosystem, all for our personal pleasure of driving a car that sucks up fuel like a goddamn space shuttle. The changes in climate might not be visible that fast, but in a while they will be. I don't know about you but in my country, the weather has gone absolutely crazy in recent years, and I'm beginning to attribute that to global warming exactly.

pressure? the only pressure needed for the developement and implementation of hydrogen engine's is the consumer. when oil prices rise high enough and the hydrogen technology becomes cheap enough, then you will see its popularity grow. There can be no other way. We dont want a fuel scam/hoax like in Brazil with ethanol.

funny you mention mccarthy and the gestapo, seeing as i propose non-intervention in the free market and freedom to the individual and letting him/her choose how to handle the issue of global warming for themselves, whereas global warming alarmists want to impose severely restrictive legislations all across every aspect of the market and would like to see SUV drivers jailed, making them much more gestapo-like.

personally, I would never drive an SUV. Not for environmental reasons though.

and I never denied that warming was occurring. I am simply saying that there is no verified evidence showing it to be caused by human factors. The verdict is still out.

interesting article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff181.html

I will read all your links but I don't have the time over right now. I see it as, if the global warming is true in terms of destroyed earth in our future, it's a good thing we do something about it to stop or ease up the impact, if it is not true in terms of destroyed earth in future with warmer climate and whatever they claim will occur, we will still have a much more environment-friendly nature and civilization with less oil and other bad material.

Example: Space research and their scientists gave us new materials and technologies, still do I believe. I think and hope this will apply to the current quest of a more environment-friendly world.

Myself I don't know, I am not sure if I believe in global warming or not substantially in a personal level. But I do know the weather have changed rapidly from cold, long winters with lots of snow when you where kid to an almost absent winter now a day. In just 5-7 years it has been a big change. Such things makes me think about what to believe or not.

The NASA program was a huge waste of money and didnt actually accomplish anything that special or practical, except for bragging rights with Russia. It still is a big drain on the taxpayer.

"In his new book, Cool It, economist Bjorn Lomborg reckons Kyoto would have cost...$9 trillion to lower the Earth's temperature by a mere one-third of a degree by 2100."

Is it worth it? I still don't think so.