Drawing = Painting?

Not sure if this is the right place but I notice that there is an awful lot of drawings in the painting section, making it harder to find actual paintings. Is there a way to move these into their correct categories? I know the guys are very very busy with all sorts of things on the site but thought I should mention it.

We're working on a system for Moderators to flag things as inappropriately categorized. It's one of our priorities at the moment and should be ready within a week or two.

I actually tend to make a drawing and then scan it and paint it on photoshop 50/50 is painting and drawing, so how you shall categorize it?

Digital Art > Airbrush / Painting

When making just a drawing and touching it up (adding background color) simple edits then should go to traditional. Example:
http://zenko.artician.com/portfolio/Surface/

Hope that help.

Isn't there a category named; 'Mixed Media'?? If there is I'd put it there. (I know there's such a category in DA, I'm not sure if they got it here though.)

I would also go with mixed media rather than traditional > painting. It's hard to categorise some images, because they are a mixture of traditional and digital or drawing and painting, but I'd still go with mixed media irrespective of traditional or digital. However, there are entries that are stated as i.e. drawing with ink and pencil in the description section, but they have been categorised as painting. It's a minefield, I know and can be quite subjective. I don't envy the task of making sure images are correctly categorised.

That's right, forgot about it. Yup go with mix media thanks guys.

Yeah I usually classify my work under mixed media unless they are pencils or Inks wich I classify as Drawing, Im sure on where to classify my images, I was making the question because I feel must people just dont know where to classify their art.
Maybe having in documentation a guide on what classifies as what and a link for help (linked to that document) on the submission and classification form, could help people that is not sure on if they retouched their photography with photoshop makes the picture photo manipulation or just plain photography.
In which I think is still plain photography.
Hope this helps, this site is coming along very well, kudos to all people making it possible.

I agree on all points. If they are pencils or inks they are clearly drawing, no question. Also, if someone has just touched up a photograph i.e. adjusting levels and curves then definitely it's a photograph, but when you start doing anything heavy on it then it becomes a manipulation. I'm not sure where we stand on images that are HDR. I know most people would categorise HDR as just photography, but personally, there is serious digital work going on there. You are essentially taking several images at different exposures, overlaying them and running them through a filter. You can tell instanstly when photos are HDR, it's not natural looking, and therefore a manipulation. Many may disagree.

A guide would be nice but I'm not sure whether lots of people would be bothered reading it, unless you state the importance of reading first before submitting, then back it up by stating that if your image isn't correctly categorised then it will be removed or something along those lines. It's a tricky one because then it becomes a matter of heavy policing. Not sure how that would work.

I think teaching the people, have some moderators suggesting on where you should re-classify your, there could be just contribution of people just willing to help other people on pointing about other categories that can classify their arts better.
but at the end of the day is about what people think their art classification should be, I will not be hard on people who have a pencil work on the painting section, maybe its a sketch to a future painting and they are confused on where to place it.
But with some documentation, people may bother on read and probably learn on how to take the must in this community and art showcase.

Would not your art be digital then? If you "Paint" something on Photoshop it is painted with a computer not traditional brushes and or knives etc.
I have always thought that Traditional art was Art produced on Canvas by hand using either Water colour/Oils/Acrylics.
Often other media are added, but I have yet to understand how anything painted in a digital manner can be called Traditional.

I am not being sarcastic to you, and I hope that you understand where I am coming from.

Technically speaking, your statement should read....I actually tend to make a drawing and then scan it and digitally paint it on photoshop 50/50 is a computer generated painting over a sketch., so how you shall categorize it?
(Bolding mine.)
~~Kathleen

I think the correct category for an image is based off of where and with what the image is developed in, and if it is developed in an array of mediums and software packages, the one where most of the work was done, should dominate the images category.

For example, sketch with a pencil (1 hour), scan in, digitalise sketch in sketchbook(20 minutes), take into painter for painting (3 hours).

The aforementioned example, by my definition would be a painting and airbrushing, hope that makes sense.

But as for the moderators doing the flagging, if the Scout's position was avaliable for applications, I'd definitely step up to help correctly categorize the images.

I disagree on this. It's not which part of the image has the most work done it that should dictate the category. For instance, I'm working on a project just now, and the majority of the work is oil painting. However, part of that image will contain a sort of decoupage to make the image 3D (I am using either polysterene or sponge to get the shape of the building then I will paint over it), and even though it will dominate the image as a whole (since my image is about architecture), the majority of time spent on it will be in oil. However, there is no way I will class this as a traditional painting. It is mixed media, plain and simple. The minute I start to bring in other materials, excepting other paint, it becomes mixed media.




I agree. I would say this is painting/airbrushing (digital), but sketches are only intended here as a marker for the image, and will subsequently be painted over leaving no trace of it.

My original point in posting is that an image which is sketched, and then is covered with pen, should not be termed a painting. It's a drawing, and should be moved. If that person's image is made up of ink and oil paints for instance (both visible on the image) then it becomes mixed media.

I agree with elements being visible in the final outcome dictating it's category, good point.

Your idea about using the 3D elements in your painting is true, it is mixed media, providing these elements are visible in the final product, like you said earlier, if they are there for texture or to fake a 3D look, then no, it isn't mixed media.. I watercolour piece isn't considered mixed media, yet, during the process artists may use in excess of 4-5 different materials for texture work, cling wrap, credit cards, salts, sugars, crumpled paper, etc. etc.

I think categorizing an image is subjective and based on the given persons personal background or artistic experience, however.

No matter what methods/materials you use to achieve your end result, if the medium is Watercolour only and the methods are not then you do not have a mixed media painting.
But if you were to use an Acrylic overlay on some parts of the Watercolour then you have Mixed Media!

I think what we are trying to say is that a digitally coloured (scanned) sketch is not a painting and or a traditional work of art.. It is a digitially produced work over a hand drawn sketch. Therefore mixed media.
Traditional art consists of whatever you use to apply any paint on any surface.
If, on the other hand, you add medium such as molding paste/beads/any other of non paint type media, then you have a mixed media work. (IE, more than one media used to produce the final result.)
~~Kathleen